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Thursday, 21 July 2011
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Dear Jim and Joe,
 
Thank you for giving me the opportunity to respond to Joe's quite respectful letter.
 
Let me say that this debate is really a matter of semantics and is not what I would call a 'hanging matter'. Our salvation is not dependent on it. None of us have all the answers. Certainly not me anyway.
 
Firstly, I used to believe that the Nephilim were the giants. But while writing The Nephilim and the Pyramid of the Apocalypse over a two year period, I noticed that many or all the reference to angels descending to earth, used the words 'fallen' or 'fell'.
 
I have met Mike Heiser and have chatted to him about this. He is a nice person and we are friendly to one another. My point is that Mike has a quite blinkered view on the word 'nephilim' and does not take into account the scope of the topic by looking at every other place the Word which speaks of angels descending to earth from Heaven. One has to consider every place in Scripture dealing with a topic to get the bigger picture.As I said in the article, the Word always refers to them as 'falling' to earth. And many Hebrew scholars I have checked with insist that 'nephilim' literally means 'fallen ones'. This you can check yourself. So there are Hebrew scholars who disagree with Mike. It is not just me.
 
However, I believe the definitive interpretation is given by the Word itself which always refer to angels coming to earth as 'fallen'. But if someone does not agree, then that's fine. As I said, it's not that big a deal. Don't major in the minors.
 
I had forgotten about Craig Hines. I do not know him and he does not know me. But he reviewed The Nephilim on Amazon a few years ago. I use the word 'review' losely. It was a vicious and personal attack on myself and my work. Other reviewers remarked on his attack and one noted that he had  just brought out his own book on a similar topic at the same time and suggested this was the motivation for his vitriolic 'review'.  With regard to Lucifer etc. Again, I believe this is splitting hairs; here is what I wrote:
 
"Please note that the name Lucifer translates as 'the morning star'..."
 
So Mr. Hines is making a big deal out of the fact that I omitted to mention that this word is Latin?? Give me a break. Here is someone trawling through my book looking for something to complain about and this is the best he can come up with? It reminds me of what Jesus said to the Pharissees; "You choke on a gnat and swallow a camel." And quite frankly, I am wondering why you are raising this here Joe?
 
You are suggesting that  I wrote the book for money or "to exalt yourself in everyone’s eyes as a top notch Bible scholar?" What exactly is your motivation here?
 
I poured two years of my life into that book. Many, many non Christians have read it and many have come to salvation through Jesus Christ as a result because that's what it was designed to do. I got two emails from two men on the same day a few years ago who had read The Nephilim and the Pyramid of the Apocalypse, and both said they had given their lives to Christ as a result, and they thanked me. Another emailed and simply said; "You have saved my soul. I will be eternally thankful." That's all.No name. Nothing.
 
And you suggest I wriote the book to get money? Do you think God would bless such a work? 
 
With regard to exalting mysef: "He who exalts himself will be humbled and he who humbles himself shall be exalted." Jesus Christ
 
I have been on Coast to Coast AM which has an audience of between 3 and 6 million, six times preaching the Word. You think God would open those doors of utterence if I was exalting myself in order to make money?
 
I have written four books and brought hundreds, if not thousands, to Christ, through the Word in those books. I have spent 35 years leading people to the Lord and was successful even before I wrote my first book which was a bestseller in Ireland (no mean feat for a Catholic country).So Mr. Hines can say what he wants. He, and others, shall face Jesus Christ to answer for their slurs.
 
By the way, I did two shows over four hours with Steve Quale and he told me he believed the Nephilim were the fallen angels and not giants, which is a totally different word in Heberew.
 
I am glad Joe, that you agree with me regarding the shape of the New Jerusalem. Ask Mr. Hines to read Isaiah 19:19, 20 which tells you as much.
 
In conclusion: It seems to me Joe that you are making a mountain out of a molehill. The whole tennet of my article was to show that the Devil and all his angels will manifest on earth, in plain sight, once the Apocalypse begins. AS it was, so shall it be. I have documented this from Scripture. This is new light on the topic and I know of no other author who has highlighted this in the way I have  here and in my new book, Return of the Antichrist and the New World Order.I point out the subliminal conditioning presently happening to prepare the world for this incredible event.
 
But no mention of this from you?

 

My new book is like The Nephilim Part 2 as it takes the topic of the fallen angels to the next level. Three people wrote and said they cried when they read the book because it cleared up so much confusion and fear they had.

  God bless you both and the grace and mercy of God be with you.
 
In His service,
   
Patrick Heron 

 

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1. 21-07-2011 21:28

On the word Nephilim, tough subject
Dear Mr. Heron, 
Thank you for your response. Like I said in my original post, I meant you no  
disrespect. I totally respect the fact that you have taken the time to write 4  
books. I shouldn’t have questioned your motive in writing your book though, as I  
truly did not know & as you stated, you wrote it to bring people to Christ, &  
that is great. Forgive me for questioning your motive. That was ignorant on my  
part, & I am sorry that I brought it up. I in no way meant to attack your  
character, & if I came across that way, I am sorry & ask for your forgiveness.  
I am happy for all the good you have done for the Lord. And you are so right; we  
shall all stand before the Lord one day & answer for all we have done. 
 
I think you are right when it comes to the topic of the word “Nephilim”. It  
could just be a matter of semantics. But I think it should be said that it is a  
matter of semantics. Maybe we just need a round table talk on this subject. 
 
I had to look up the word “blinkered” as I have never heard that expression  
before. I have emailed Michael Heiser several times, but have never met him. I  
would love to sit down & talk to him for a while. I’m quite sure there are  
Hebrew scholars who disagree with Mike, & I’m just thankful I am not a Hebrew  
scholar. I’m trying to learn Hebrew now so I could at least read it for myself  
in the original. 
 
Yes, no one person has all the answers, & none of us see it the way the Lord  
does. 
 
I agree with you that the meaning of the word “Nephilim” has nothing to do with  
our Salvation, & it could be looked at as a minor issue. But I have been reading  
books & articles for over 5 years from people like Tom Horn, Steven Quayle,  
Michael Heiser, John Milor, Chris Ward, David Flynne, Chuck Misslor, Jim  
Wilhelmsen, L.A. Marzulli, Lambert Dolphin, L.Ray Smith, Stan Deyo, Ron Wyatt  
and a host of others who see it in a different light. I just wanted people to  
see it can be seen differently. Just to let you know, your book, “The Nephilim  
& the Pyramid of the Apocalypse” was one of the first books I read on this  
subject. A friend of mine who got into the study of fallen angels had a copy &  
lent it to me. I read it in about 2 days. I found it fascinating. I too do not  
know all the answers, but I’m exploring all avenues to find the answers. I think  
the Great Pyramid is a fascinating subject & deserves a lot of study. 
 
My question still is, if the Nephilim are the fallen angels, then who are the  
“Sons of God” spoken of in Gen. 6:2-4? If the sons of God are the fallen  
rebellious angels, which many Bible scholars agree on this, & they somehow mated  
with the daughters of Adam, & had offspring who were called Nephilim; well, how  
could the sons of God & the Nephilim be one and the same? I just don’t see it.  
I suppose we could argue until we were blue in the face over this subject. Ha!  
It reminds me of the proverb about the 6 blind men & the elephant. All of them  
felt a different part of the elephant’s body, & each came away with a different  
idea of what the elephant looked like. 
 
I agree with you that horrible things are coming on this earth soon. That much  
is obvious. I do believe the fallen angels will be coming down here to the earth  
to cause a lot of trouble. There are as you say many Bible verses on this  
subject. 
 
The reason I brought up the thing about you saying Lucifer was a Hebrew word was  
simply because Craig had said you made basic mistakes with ancient languages,  
sort of like Zacharia Sitchen did, & yes, I agree with Craig that it just needed  
to be clarified. For people who are totally ignorant of Hebrew, Latin, or Greek  
for that matter, it would just be confusing & some people who know that Lucifer  
is from the Latin would just simply think you didn’t know what you were talking  
about. Remember, I did say I didn’t agree with Craig on everything he wrote.  
Plus he is the only person I know of who had anything to say in a negative light  
about your book, and to then put it in his book. I have never read his review on  
Amazon. What I was quoting was from his book “Gateway of the Gods”.  
 
I am reading Steve Quayle’s book right now on “Genesis 6 Giants” & I haven’t  
seen yet where he sees the Nephilim as not being the giants. I don’t know if the  
Coast to Coast show you are referring to was before he wrote this book or not.  
 
I’m sorry I didn’t bring out more points in your article of the things I agree  
with you on. Again, human nature, we are always quicker to see the button off of  
mutt’s vest, than to see the good. Maybe you could write a book and elaborate on  
why you think the Heavenly City is in the shape of a pyramid. I think it would  
be fantastic. As you know, Tom Horn mentions you in his book “Apollyon Rising  
2012” on page 261-262. He gives a great review of your book. Tom mentions that  
Dr. Hutchings points out “the only kind of building in all the world that  
requires a head cornerstone is a pyramid.” I believe too that the fallen  
angels were just mimicking what they had lost, & that they possibly could have  
been the builders of it. I could be wrong but I think Chuck Missler & Mark  
Eastman in their book “Alien Encounters” state that the only shape of the New  
Jerusalem would be a pyramid shape. At any rate, we will all know one day. 
 
If you ever come to America (I’m assuming you live in Ireland) well, come on  
down to Texas & I will treat you to a nice Steak & Potatoes meal, Texas style.  
Ha! 
 
God Bless you, Patrick, & May the Lord continue to bless your ministry & the  
things you are doing for the Lord. 
Sincerely  
Joseph Bruni
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