"Evidences for a Spiritual View of the
UFO Phenomenon:
Why Christian Fundies Think Aliens Are
Really Demons" © 2009 Guy Malone, All Rights
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Angelfire, New Mexico

Evidences for a Spiritual View of
the Phenomenon:
Why Christian Fundies
Think
Aliens Are Really Demons

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Good afternoon. I’m Guy Malone (and as Leigh said
I’m) also from Roswell. It’s an honor to be invited by Janet to share
with you at this event, and to be included amongst and presenting with
this particular group of speakers – including Roswell’s own well-known
expert researchers Dennis Balthaser and Dr Don Burleson, as well as two
of my personal favorite guys in the field of secular UFO research, Nick
Redfern and Greg Bishop. This is really an honor and I just want to thank Janet again for the opportunity, and for being
open-minded enough to let today’s last lecture take this topic outside of the
box of what’s normally considered popular.
As you know my topic is "Evidences for a Spiritual View of
the UFO Phenomenon" ... by that I mean to suggest that the alien phenomena which is
indeed a very prevalent part of today’s culture may not genuinely reflect
extraterrestrial life forms from other planets, but rather, it’s quite likely
paranormal, or spiritual in nature.
Now I know that all of us interested in the field of
alien research have eventually run into a Christian Fundamentalist who tells you
“…it’s all demonic.” Right? It’s not just me that’s happened to is it? (Okay at
least I’m not alone in that….)
But what I think we’ve all found, is quite often that when
we’re told by a Christian that aliens are really demons, is that .. to put this
not as congenially as I perhaps should... we find that they really don’t know
what they’re talking about don’t we? Generally speaking they don’t seem to have
a clue. Now, to put that scenario much more nicely – and much more accurately
I’ll add – it’s more proper to say that usually the person who tells you that
aliens are really demons.. “Doesn’t present you with sufficient evidence.”
(PAUSE) Much more specifically, they don’t present you with sufficient evidence
to CHANGE YOUR BELIEF that UFOs and aliens represent extraterrestrial life
forms, do they?
SO - for someone to just come along and tell you it’s all
really demons … well it’s not only insulting, but it also comes across as pretty
idiotic, doesn’t it? I think most of the time it comes across to the hearer as
an ignorant knee-jerk reaction, without a shred of evidence, coming from a
closed-minded person who just categorizes anything they can’t explain or is
otherwise “unknown” as demonic. Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t that the way
you usually take it when someone tells you aliens are demonic? Well, please
accept my apologies on behalf of any of my brethren who have done this to you,
and just left you hanging.
But there’s a flip side as well, that many of you probably
know very little about, which does involve some investigation and research, and
that’s what I’m going to be sharing with you during this presentation. Narrowing
the topic down that the UFO and alien phenomenon might be spiritual in nature,
and to answer the question for you Why Many Fundamentalist Christians Think
Aliens Are Really Demons, is my hope today.
And of course in the interest of “Full Disclosure” (ha ha)
I am a Christian Fundamentalist. I believe The Bible is the Word of God, and
that Jesus Christ is His only begotten Son, who died for sins and rose from the
dead, paving the only way for humanity to likewise share in eternal life. I
don’t mean to offend with that statement, it’s just what I believe. This is
still America – so I’m told anyways - and I’m not going to apologize for my
beliefs on that, any more than I’d ask you to apologize for your beliefs.
I’m also not going to pretend that this short talk is going
to convince you of the view that aliens are demonic in nature. My goal is simply
to inform you of WHY many Christian Fundamentalists believe this. Also, I’m not
going to tell you you’re going to hell if you disagree with what I present
today, okay?
There’s one rule I do want us to agree on however - that
I’m not going to let you discount this view out of hand simply because you
personally believe there’s no such thing as demons or fallen angels. Whether you
do or don’t, that’s about as open-minded as someone telling you well, they don’t
believe in aliens therefore that view can’t be right either. We’re not going to
get anywhere like that.
It’s very important to state that of course not all
Christians think aliens are demonic. Most, in fact, don’t I’d venture to say.
I’ve found that many and perhaps even most Christians are very open to the idea
of extraterrestrials. Many in fact believe that life on other planets is not
only possible, but that it’s probable.
((Certain theologians throughout the ages have cited a
doctrine, or a philosophical concept really, known as the Principal of
Plenitude. Here’s a couple of historical definitions. – Deleted this due to time
restraint))
While he’s of course not a theologian, I’m going to start
with a quote by Carl Sagan, as I believe his views have done as much as any
modern theologian has to influence the modern Christian viewpoint.
According to Carl Sagan:
"The available evidence strongly suggests that the
origins of life should occur given the initial conditions and a billion years of
evolutionary time…”
Proponents of the ubiquity of extraterrestrial life and
intelligence also commonly appeal to two other principles (in addition to the
Principal of Plenitude) called the principle of mediocrity and the principle of
uniformity.
Source: The Internet Encyclopedia of Science
DavidDarling.info, citing
Lovejoy, Arthur O. The Great Chain of Being. Cambridge,
Mass.: Harvard University Press (1962)
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That is how I feel most people including many Christians
view the question of life on other planets today, assuming (and that’s a big
word there) – assuming that the universe is infinite in area, and that time is
endless.
But note that Carl Sagan’s view depends on both “the
initial conditions” being present, which Christians would argue is not random
but is completely up to the Sovereignty of God as to whether those conditions
would ever arise - as well as “a billion years” of evolution occurring. As you
no doubt know, many Christians do not believe in the theory of evolution, nor do
they believe in billions or even millions of years of happening prior to Adam
and Eve.
So this is where we first begin to get into understanding
the views of Fundamentalist Christians. If a fundamentalist Christian – or an
Orthodox Jew for that matter - doesn’t believe in a really old universe, or in
the theory of evolution, then Sagan’s idea on the probability of life on other
planets falls a little flat right off.
But now many Christians, who would otherwise view
themselves as Fundamentalists, do happen to believe in either an old universe
and/or that God somehow used evolution in the creation process. So those views
aside, there are still at least 3 other major reasons that many Fundamentalist
Christians believe that aliens are demonic, that don’t depend upon agreement
with the young earth-no evolution view of creation. And assuming you don’t agree
with the young earth view either, those are the three reasons that the remainder
of this lecture will focus on.
Remember that for the average Christian, even a
Fundamentalist, whether God could have created life on other planets is not even
a question – it’s a nonsequiter really – nobody doubts that God can do whatever
he wants to. But in light of all the paranormal phenomena that’s been documented
in the last century – specifically so many thousands of extremely
well-documented cases of beings claiming to be just those very aliens - the
question really becomes… “Is the Extraterrestrial Hypothesis the best answer to
that phenomena?” A large part of the process that Christian researchers have
documented over the decades to arrive at the demonic conclusion include
Fruit of the Phenomena and What More Intensive Research
Reveals
1) Aliens Bring Primarily Religious Messages
2) Abductions Can Be Terminated
3) Powers of Aliens and Angels
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Concentrating on the first for now
Fruit of the Phenomena and What More Intensive Research
Reveals
1) Religious Messages Opposed to the Bible:
UFO Cults – Heaven’s Gate, Raelian Religion, Arcturus Society – all the results
of alleged contact with aliens
1 Timothy 4:7
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While also not being known as a theologian, the well-known
abduction researcher from Harvard,
Dr John Mack, writes
The information that abductees receive is concerned
primarily with the fate of the earth in the wake of human destructiveness.
Scenes are shown of the planet wasted by nuclear war and especially of the
earth's environment devastated by pollution and toxic clouds...
A number of abductees have been shown apocalyptic images of
the earth itself literally cracked open or broken up, followed by elaborate
triage scenes in which some people will die, others will survive in some way on
Earth, and still others will be transported to some other place where human life
will continue in a new way.
John Mack, Abduction pg. 395
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I won’t really have time in this talk to develop this
theme, other than to say that research by John Mack, Karla Turner, David Jacobs,
Budd Hopkins and many other prominent abduction researchers bears out that
visions of the end of the world – or at least some massive future apocalypse –
is one the major themes that contactees experience in their interactions with
aliens. They also often speak of how the aliens will help mankind survive this
period. For time’s sake I have to really skip over this theme for now, but do
want to ask who here saw the movie “Knowing” with Nick Cage this summer? You
remember at the end how a few people – “those who heard the call” – as the movie
describes it – were saved from the destruction of the earth and taken to a new
planet? Well that wasn’t just one random Hollywood writer’s fantasy… rather it
was a perfect summation and depiction of what aliens have been promising people
for decades now. The movie is already described by Christian researchers of this
realm as “ET Gospel 101.”
The Bible says a great deal about the End of the Age
however, and the disasters that will come on the earth before Jesus Christ’s
return – specifically in Matthew 24 and the Book of Revelation just for
starters. Being brief I just want to insert here for you the documented fact
that aliens’ messages routinely contradict the biblical messages of destruction
and recreation of a New Heaven and a New Earth by God, followed by Jesus’ 1000
year-reign from Jerusalem.
But this well-researched point by Dr Mack and so many
others makes the messages and the promises of aliens suspect from the very
beginning. That aliens are here to tell us things – different things – about the
End Times – than what God has revealed to the church already in the Bible. If it
were just additional info of some sort, it might not be so bad, but the stickler
is, it’s contradictory. If a human were to come along and promote different
ideas, Christians would just label him as a false teacher. Most would default to
a certain biblical passage in the human’s interpretation.
"For the time will come when men will not put up with sound
doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a
great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will
turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths."
2 Timothy 4:3-4 NIV
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That’s not at all a closed-minded knee jerk reaction to new
ideas by the way; it’s just adherence to a biblical doctrine that’s been around
for nearly 2,000 years.
Research shows that aliens routinely promise deliverance
from the disasters foretold in the End Times in a variety of ways - including
but not limited to cloning, reincarnation, or by lifting those who follow the
aliens off the planet just in the nick of time – it’s a wide enough variety in
fact that you yourself would not trust the aliens if you study the larger
picture of how many different methods they promise this alleged deliverance.
I’m going to share with you two more scriptures to start
with that are probably the most quoted verses in any and all of the UFO books
authored by Orthodox or Fundamental Christians.
"Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times
some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines
of devils..."
1 Timothy 4:1
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This is important, because before you can understand fully
why Fundamentalist Christians believe what we do about these aliens - or any
topic really - you have to have an understanding of what we already believe,
before a “new” topic even gets introduced. There is a lens, you might say, that
colors our interpretation, especially of new teachings that may come our way.
These are warnings, or red flags, from God, that tell us specific things to
watch out for. This doesn’t have to mean that we’re paranoid, just watchful.
This doesn’t mean we’re closed-minded either, but there are some beliefs that
cannot be moved, shaken, or compromised if we’re still going to call ourselves
Christians.
So along with the previous scripture I mentioned The Bible
actually tells people to expect, in the last days, many people falling away from
the faith partly on the basis of believing human teachers of false doctrines,
and very specifically, because of seducing spirits that teach the doctrines of
devils. Even if one were to accept the entities as genuine extraterrestrials
rather than seducing spirits warned about in this passage, their messages reveal
themselves to be promoting the doctrines of devils. I’ll give you some examples
here in a moment. The vigilant Christian minister – even if he doesn’t believe
the demonic hypothesis - would still warn others to shun the aliens as false
teachers.
Today I had hoped to go through a list of early books in
this field by Christians published as early as 1975 which I won’t really have
time for it turns out, but I would be remiss I think to at least not mention the
Barry Downing book “The Bible and Flying Saucers” which came out in 1968 – the
year I was born in fact. I’m sure many of you have read it or are at least aware
of it. This is by a Presbyterian (cough, cough) minister who, like most of the
major UFO cults today, makes the claim that many of the miraculous events in the
Bible were merely UFO encounters acting on God’s behalf. He even writes “Jesus
came to our world by a perfect cover story: By means of the virgin birth Jesus
was able to come from another world…”
If a Christian came across that book in the 70’s - and
wasn’t deceived by it – a discerning Christian would identify this teaching as
not merely offensive, but downright blasphemous. The idea that Jesus is an
alien, or even part alien, denies the Godhead that is THE fundamental staple of
all true Christian doctrine, that Jesus Christ is fully God, and fully man.
But orthodox Christians in the 70’s who happened to read
books on aliens and UFOs would have lumped Downing’s book with Erich Von Daniken
and Zechariah Sitchin – whom I also won’t have time to comment on today, but I
did bring a DVD entitled The Errors of Zechariah Sitchin if you’re interested –
or offended by that remark – done by a PhD ancient languages scholar who is also
the author of the website SitchinisWrong.com if you want to check that out in
the privacy of your own home sometime. The point here is that Christians who
came across these books would correctly apply the earlier scripture to such
authors, labeling them as false teachers who deny sound doctrine, and because of
this, without even looking into any of the research I’ll give you today, they
would have only been more suspect – back in the 70’s - that doctrines of demons
are somehow behind the UFO phenomenon.
Moving on to what more research tells us about aliens and
their quote, “agenda” … the teachings of alleged extraterrestrials have been
well-documented over the years in a wide variety of books. This first is from
one of Nick Redfern’s books:
"Throughout the 1950s and 1960s, numerous people across
the United States claimed face-to-face contact with eerily human-looking aliens
who preached peace and love, who desired an end to all human conflict, and who
demanded the complete disarmament of our nuclear arsenals. Thus was born the
cult of the Contactee. Not surprisingly, as a result of the overtly
political nature of their revelations, many of the Contactees were subjected to
intense surveillance by the U.S. Government...
Nick Redfern, On the Trail of Saucer Spies, pg. 20
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"The complete story of Van Tassel's exploits with
apparent extraterrestrials involves weird accounts of meetings with
imaginatively named aliens including Numa of Uni, Ah-Ming of Tarr, Rondolla
of the Fourth Density, and Zolton, the Highest Authority in the sector system of
Vela."
Nick Redfern, On the Trail of Saucer Spies, pg. 22
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So here’s what a Christian as far back as the 1950’s who
was looking into the alien phenomenon would have found if they had bothered to
look into the trend of people claiming to be alien contactees, and actually read
Van Tassel’s material, or attended one of his lectures:
"He (George Van Tassel) said that JESUS was born of
MARY, who was a space person sent here already pregnant in order to show
earth people the proper way to live. He said the space people have watched over
us through the years and have tried to help us."
Nick Redfern, On the Trail of Saucer Spies, pg. 28-29
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One of the more modern accounts, by Bonnie Meyer, who
nearly 50 years later, echoes George Van Tassel’s teachings... Her alien, named
Monn, told her that
More UFOs in The Bible?
A UFO moved in the sky to Bethlehem and then it placed
itself by a star in the sky. And also a UFO helped to part the Red Sea. The
parting of the sea was done by lasers, how else could you part and dry up a sea
so they could take their chariots across a water bed and when they were safely
on the other side let the water come back. But may I say that the UFO's were
working for God. They were doing His bidding at these points in history.
These UFOs also provided the manna from heaven. No I'm not
saying that God did not do this, but God worked through the UFOs to produce
this. Also, God used a laser to write those things on the tablet, the
commandments. These UFOs also parted the Jordan River when the Israelites
entered Cannan.
Bonnie Meyer, Alien Contact : The Messages They Bring pg
180-181
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Not much has changed in 50 years, has it? Well except for
the alleged aliens’ point of origin… Nick and Greg would both back me up on that
part I think. It used to Mars or Venus, but now that we have telescopes and
satellites that can tell us about the conditions on those planets, now the
aliens come from Pleiades, Orion, etc… places we can’t verify their claims
again.
The most controversial thing is the ascension and
resurrection of Christ. You see, he went up to a UFO in a beam, he went aboard a
ship, and He is alive today and He will return in a ship called the New
Jerusalem and it will be stationed outside of the atmosphere.
Bonnie Meyer, Alien Contact : The Messages They Bring pg
180-181
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Now it’s not so much that this teaching is simply offensive to an orthodox
Christian, most Christians know already that it’s dead wrong, and once again the
source is suspect. Revelation chapters 3 and 21 state that the New Jerusalem
descends to the earth, and from then on God makes His tabernacle with men there.
Revelation 21 describes the City in great detail in fact, even speaking of its
gate.
Author Brad Steiger also writes of the religious nature of these entities’
teachings
A Visitor From Another Galaxy:
The entity identified himself as OX-HO and declared that he had come from
a galaxy very near our own to help the people on Earth...OX-HO told those
few guests gathered in the Steil home that he was relaying his messages through
a "Mother Ship" outside of the Earth's galaxy. Saturn Council had been
informed of the coming disasters on the Earth planet, and they were only "too
willing to help."
The entity went on: "People on Earth, open your doors to our help, for
you need it desperately. Remember that we are always on the alert and are now
holding off and fighting any enemies from lesser evolved planets. Join our
Confederation and be one with the Creator."
Brad Steiger Aquarian Revelations: Channeling Higher
Intelligence pgs. 98-99
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I gave an entire lecture focusing on just the messages of
extra-terrestrials this summer to a mainly Christian audience, and that slide
actually got a laugh. Suffice to say, Christians have a whole nother plan for
how to be connected with the creator, and joining the Borg collective is not
part of it. Here Steiger’s entity speaking of Jesus
Where and when, the Light Affiliates were eager to know,
would Christ return? OX-HO, who referred to Christ as "Esu," said that His
Second Coming would be "where the sun shines in the West and leaves a shadow."
Many of the various Light Beings, who had not suffered a Fall from Grace and
therefore had never required a Savior, a Messiah, were continually puzzled by
Esu's interest in Homo sapiens, OX-HO explained to the group. "He shall return
where his own people shall be gathered. He will not look as you might expect Him
to look, but you will know Him by his eyes. You will have seen them before.
Esu will return around the region known as your Great Lakes.
Brad Steiger Aquarian Revelations: Channeling Higher
Intelligence pg. 108
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Christians generally know that Christ will not return to
the America… Statements like these cast extreme doubt on the sources they come
from – they’re meant to twist the Bible and lead people to believe in and follow
entities that are lying to them. Only people who really know their Bible would
catch most of these half-truths ….. And, of course one of the more infamous
contactees
“Claude Vorilhon claimed that in
December 1973 he was re-named Rael by Aliens from another world.
Rael claims that HE is the result of a virgin birth ..
Alien named Yahweh told him “we
decided that the time had come to send a new messenger on earth” .…
… says Jesus was “scientifically revived by other aliens and taken
back to the Elohim planet” … says Jesus “didn’t die for the sins of
the world .. Jesus’ purpose on earth was to help us advance
scientifically and medically to make room for the return of the
Elohim to the planet.” -Jacques Vallee notes in
Messengers of Deception that Rael wants to be “the spiritual ruler
of the world.”
Bill Alnor, UFO Cults and The New
Millennium, 1998 Baker Books, Ch 7 |
Note also that Jacques Valle said that Rael wants to be the
spiritual ruler of the world. Thank you Bill Alnor for the references…
What Christians generally find is that aliens are very
intent on changing people’s spiritual views away from anything resembling
Biblical Christianity. Here’s a good summary of what Christians find in
researching ET messages throughout the many books that exist – mostly by
non-Christian researchers
UFO experiences include paraphysical, parapsychological,
and spiritual manifestations which are designed to influence the "world
view" of contactees…
The personal metamorphosis of UFO contactees is the
forerunner of a social transformation in human consciousness, which now is
leading to changes in the economic, educational, military, political, and
religious institutions of nations of the Earth: the "New Age" of true science
and spirituality.
R. Leo Sprinkle, quoted in Encyclopedia of Extraterrestrial Encounters,
pg
136-140, Ronald D. Story, Editor
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Another non-Christian author writes...
"Another goal of this alien program is the alteration of human consciousness
to change our perceptions of ourselves as a species."
- Randall Fitzgerald,
quoted in Encyclopedia of Extraterrestrial Encounters, pg 1, Ronald D. Story,
Editor
And compare that to what this Christian summary of alien
message research says.
"An examination of the evidence indicates beyond any doubt that a primary
agenda of the alien visitors - whoever or whatever they are - is to change what
human beings think about God and His Word (the Bible) and to replace exclusive
Christianity with a religion of universalism"
Ron Rhodes Alien Obsession (drawing on Bill Alnor's writing in UFOs in the New
Age)
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What you’ll find most prevalent in much of the alien
contact literature and now all over the web is the claim that when you read the
Bible, what you’re really reading about is primitive man’s interpretation of UFO
technology – the fire by day, cloud by night that Moses and the Israelites
followed was really a UFO, just for instance. This idea pre-dates Barry
Downing’s 1968 book, and has been around since the 1950’s at least – contactee
George Adamski was allegedly told more things like this during his encounters.
The newer twist now being touted is that The Immaculate Conception and virgin
birth of Jesus Christ are explainable by alien abduction and artificial
insemination resulting in an advanced hybrid teacher to mankind.
But the Bible says that God Himself became
flesh, and dwelt among us in the person of Jesus Christ…
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with
God, and the Word was God...
All things were made by him; and without him was not any
thing made that was made...
He was in the world, and the world was made by him,
and the world knew him not...
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us...
John Chapter 1
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Of course Christians are going to label anything contrary
to this as coming from false human teachers and/or the doctrines of devils,
again, not because it’s offensive or anything silly like that, but because
again, it directly undermines the clearest statements in the Bible and the
singular most important tenet of Christianity, that Jesus Christ is God Himself
Incarnate as man, or God in the flesh, not some half-breed alien. Here’s another
For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Colossians 2:9
In whom we have redemption through his blood, [even]
the forgiveness of sins:
Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn
of every creature:
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and
that are in earth…
… all things were created by him, and for him
Colossians 1:14-15
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So the essence of the struggle here from a Fundamental
Christian worldview is that of trying to reconcile the reality of alien
encounters with what the Bible teaches very clearly. It has absolutely nothing
to do with whether life could possibly exist on other planets or not. It all has
to do with the fact that the extremely well-documented now messages of beings
claiming to be aliens repeatedly attack this doctrine, and claim that Jesus is
not really God Incarnate, but is simply an advanced alien.
The common questions that Christians arrive at when they
examine the documented teaching of aliens, are quite logically along the lines
of “Why would authentic extraterrestrial biological entities travel 90 billion
light years just to attack one specific religion? Why don’t they ever go after
or work so hard to change what people believe about Buddha, or Mohammed? Why do
they make such a concentrated effort to convince people that Jesus Christ is not
true Deity, or God Incarnate? Given their powers and abilities, the Christian
truly is left with no choice but to identify these creatures as deceiving
spirits.
Finally, here’s a passage many believe to be centered on
the coming of the antichrist, which often also gets applied to the UFO
phenomena. … here’s where many think it begins to tie in…
"The coming of the lawless one (aka antichrist) will be in
accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit
miracles, signs and wonders, and in every sort of evil that deceives those who
are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be
saved. For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will
believe the lie..."
2nd Thessalonians 2:7-11
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That passage is part of the Fundamentalist worldview by
which Christians are taught to interpret world events and the age they live in.
Putting it all too succinctly for the sake of time, many Christians feel that
the UFO phenomenon is a lying sign and wonder, and a powerful delusion, which
will be embraced by those who refuse to believe the gospel. SOME powerful
delusion, having global impact, with signs and wonders is exactly what
Christians were warned 2,000 years ago to anticipate, as part of the final rise
of the antichrist. Since 1947 – the year of the Kenneth Arnold sighting and the
Roswell Incident, AND when the nation of Israel stepped back onto the worldstage
(another sign of the End of the Age, some believe, adding much fuel to the
End-of-the-Age fire)… Since 1947 the UFO phenomenon, you might say, has jumped
to the forefront of being the leading contender to fit that bill. (Pointing at
screen)
Plowing through…
Moving on to number 2…
Fruit of the Phenomena and What More Intensive Research
Reveals
1) Religious Messages of Aliens
2) Abductions Can Be Terminated
3) Powers of Aliens and Angels
Abductions Stopped in Jesus’ Name
Read First Testimony / Screen shot of 75 –
Obviously leans
toward a spiritual interpretation of the phenomena
Fl Today – 1997 Appeared in 80 Newspapers across country &
Flying Saucer Review
Quoted in 14 books
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Over 10 years ago, the CE4research.com website came online,
and that site and the resulting press from it has done much to influence the
population of Christians who aren’t heavily involved in UFO, alien, or abduction
research. Many of you have heard of this I believe… Joe Jordan, a MUFON
researcher from Florida who wasn’t a Christian at the time, came across a single
“case study” where the person stopped their abduction in the name of Jesus
Christ. I’m going to read you the details that very first account:
What follows is the case of Mr D‘s experience that took
place in Christmas, FL in 1976: His abduction started out typically late at
night in bed. Earlier in the evening he saw some anomalous lights through the
living room window over a forest north of his house. He assumed it was a police
helicopter searching for drug runners or something. Whatever it was, it agitated
his dogs for several hours thereafter. He eventually went to bed...
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“(Mr D) was lying in bed kept wide awake by the barking
dogs when paralysis set in. He was unable to cry out. He could see nothing but a
whitish gray, like a mist or a fog, although he sensed something or someone was
in his room. His wife didn’t awaken. The next thing he knew, he was being
levitated above his bed. He then had the sensation he was being suspended by
what felt like a pole inserted into his rectum. By this time he was alive with
terror but couldn’t scream…
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“Here’s where the story becomes very interesting. The
following is an excerpt taken directly from a transcript of Mr. D’s interview:
“I thought I was having a satanic experience, that the
devil had gotten a hold of me and had shoved a pole up my rectum, and was
holding me up in the air. So helpless, I couldn’t do anything, I said “Jesus,
Jesus help me!” or “Jesus, Jesus, Jesus!” …
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“When I did, there was a feeling or a sound or something
that either that I had thought or the words that I had tried to say, or
whatever, had hurt whatever was holding me up in the air on this pole. And I
felt like it was withdrawn and I fell. I hit the bed because it was like I was
thrown back in the bed, I really couldn’t tell, But when I did my wife woke up
and asked why I was jumping on the bed.”
Joe Jordan, “Unholy Communion : The Spiritual Nature of
Abduction Reports” |
And in his words, from Joe’s upcoming book:
From Unholy Communion, The Book in progress by Joe Jordan
"We pulled out some of the video interviews we had done
over the past year to review. We put in a video tape of a man we had interviewed
six months prior to me coming to Jesus Christ. He was a frequent visitor to our
monthly meetings. He worked at the Kennedy Space Center and had been through a
couple of abduction experiences he could remember, and many visual UFO
sightings…
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It was a typical abduction experience, but with a twist.
While the abduction experience was happening, and him being terrified by it, he
called out in the name and authority of Jesus Christ, and the abduction
experience abruptly stopped. At that time, Bill had just recently become a
Christian and was attending a local church. His new found relationship in Jesus
gave him what to do in a bad situation."
Unholy Communion, Joe Jordan, CE4 Research Group
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While Joe didn’t initially believe this case was
significant – in fact he blew it off for about 6 months – but as he later
continued to research this, he found that the experience was indeed repeatable.
After years of working with MUFON as a State Section Director and getting
nowhere as far as understanding the true nature of abductions, he came to
believe himself that the alien abduction phenomena was actually spiritual in
nature rather than genuine extraterrestrials, because it stops for many in
Jesus’ name, just like a more familiar deliverance or exorcism does.
From here, he was able to begin building his “case files”
of more and people whom he counseled, who gave permission to publish their
written testimonies that they too had been able to stop their abduction
experiences in the name and authority of Jesus Christ, and he put them online.
The kicker is that this story made the local paper, Florida
Today in 1997, which was owned by Gannett, and then got picked up by 80 other
Gannett newspapers across the country. So now you have people who weren’t even
looking for UFO material reading about a Christian perspective in own their
local paper. And boy did his phone start ringing, and from further counseling,
his case files grew tremendously.
Here is a screenshot of his website today.
StopAlienAbduction@Gmail.com
(Below text and photo added since lecture
date, not on the DVD of the lecture)
This page details the written stories gathered over 15
years of counseling, of those who are willing to go on record and allow Joe to
“out them” as alien abductees online. If you could see this page further down,
there's a total of 79 of them currently, and many of them are audio testimonies
you can listen to from radio interviews and such. The truth is, in the secular
or non-religious realm, any one researcher is going to have serious trouble
getting that many people to allow that fact or that claim about themselves be
made public. The difference is, these are all people who have come to agree,
based on their personal experiences, that the phenomena is demonic, and that
Jesus Christ has freed them from the experience – so there’s really no shame
involved for them discussing the experience now. It’s not ongoing, they’re not
crazy, and they are willing testimonials to the power of Jesus Christ. In fact,
when Joe presents his entire lecture publically, it now often ends with him
calling some of these people forward who are willing to travel or show up at the
lecture, and be on a stage, as living evidence that skeptics can actually
question afterwards. Here’s a photo from one such presentation.
http://www.alienstranger.com/arealiensdemons.htm
That’s my story also – my first website from 1997 is just
that, me testifying to this before I’d ever heard of or met Joe Jordan. Some of
the people represented on his site are likewise those who contacted him with
their story, and not necessarily people whom he's personally counseled. They're
people who figured it out on their own as well.
End revised text, intend to include next time I
present this lecture
So over the years, this has presented one of the most
convincing arguments to the Christian church that the alien phenomenon is
demonic in nature. Joe’s story has since been repeated or quoted in 14 other
books by Christian authors on this subject. Aside from all else I’ve presented
you with today, this is likely the single most convincing piece of evidence that
has influenced Christians for over a decade now. Those who tell you it’s demonic
may not have done much research themselves, but they likely have seen this
online, or heard this research quoted in one form or another.
In 1999, Joe and I “joined forces” so to speak, with Pastor
Chris Ward, and connected all three of our sites together under a single .org.
We all promoted the fallen angel view, and the idea that abductions could be
stopped in Jesus name.
In 2002, we three were featured together in the cover story
of Charisma Magazine...
...a nationally distributed Christian magazine boasting a
circulation then of 750,000 readers per issue… that's ¾ million. That was influential
in the sense that even Christians and pastors who also weren’t looking for UFO
information, suddenly had it thrust in their face by the very magazine they
trust and subscribe to for news and views.
This last part is very quick…
II) Fruit of the Phenomena and What More Intensive Research
Reveals
1) Religious Messages of Aliens
2) Abductions Can Be Terminated
3) Powers of Aliens and Angels
Powers of Aliens and Angels:
Daniel, Peter, Jesus & John – Visions and Physical Evidence
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This last part was also a whole lecture in itself that my
wife wrote. I’ll share some highlights here, but you can read the whole thing
for free at ChristianSymposium.com
The lecture had a great detail to say about the obvious
overlap between the abilities that angels have as described in the Bible – and
there’s no reason to think that those same abilities wouldn’t be true of fallen
angels as well – but
Here are some of the major passages I’ll leave you with if
you want to do the comparison yourself. Daniel Chapter 10 verses 1-12
Daniel 10:1-12
Daniel calls what he experienced a “great vision” (Daniel 10:8) caused
by an angel. While having this “vision”: It was real to the bodily
senses: Daniel was in his body, he saw with his eyes, he heard with his
ears, he felt a hand touch his body, felt being on his hands and knees
and later standing up, he felt bodily trembling, The vision Daniel saw
was overlaid on top of the reality everyone else could see, but others
could not see it. (Daniel 10:7) What Daniel saw was unusual, and even
impossible-seeming, such as a face with the “appearance of lightning”.
Also the voice of the singular being he was seeing sounded like a
multitude of voices. Daniel was awake, and not dreaming, nor in a
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Daniel’s vision of the angel was entirely real to all of
his bodily senses. He saw, heard, felt a hand touching him, and it occurred in
conjunction with all else that was going on around him – and he was wide awake,
not in a trance. This is much like most UFO sightings.
Also, in the New Testament book of Acts, an angel literally
comes and breaks Peter out of prison, an experience he thinks at first is just a
vision.
“Peter followed him (an angel) out of the prison, but he
had no idea that what the angel was doing was really happening; he thought he
was seeing a vision” Acts 10:9 NIV
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“In this case an angel is sent to free Peter from Herod’s
prison. At first Peter thinks he is experiencing a vision, but soon realizes the
events have truly taken place. Peter had visions before, and his confusion
proves the point that (angelic) visions are real to the bodily senses - as
real as objective reality - which is why Peter was not sure if what was
happening was a vision or not.
“But the events did take place in objective reality!
The angel materialized in a physical way and caused
lasting physical changes in objective reality. Other people, such as the
guards, Herod, and Peter’s friends were all affected by these lasting physical
changes to objective reality.” |
Not only that, she continues, but the angel was able to
defy physics in objective reality, or seem to have supernatural powers, by doing
things such as *causing a light to shine* (think UFO), chains to fall off,
likely opening what was a locked gate, and moving a very heavy door with
apparently supernatural strength, as well as appearing and disappearing
seemingly out of nowhere. Going through the book of Job and a few others, the
conclusions easily drawn are
Observations on Physical Attacks
1.
Multiple witnesses of angels
2.
Multiple witnesses to lasting physical effects, including illnesses and
sometimes death
3.
Supernatural occurrences, that seem to defy physics, in objective reality
4.
Objective reality generally follows normal physical laws, except for
actions of angels
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You also have Jesus’ famous Temptation in the wilderness
where Satan – who is an angel - TAKES Jesus to a high mountain – emphasis on
TAKES JESUS TO A HIGH MOUNTAIN - and shows him all the kingdoms of the earth,
AND then you have the entire book of Revelation. All of which summarize as:
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Like other kinds of
angelic encounters, the experience is physically real to all the bodily
senses, and the person is in their body.
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The person is carried
or taken “in the spirit”, implying they have been “carried” or “taken” in
some fashion of a spiritual nature.
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The person is in a
place of fantastically unrealistic scenery and/or a place in which out of
the ordinary or impossible-seeming things occur…
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In John’s case,
he is writing on a real scroll during the entire experience, and the
real scroll remains with him afterwards. So objects taken into the
experience can be altered and retained afterwards. This also implies
that objects obtained by a person during the experience could remain
afterwards, and/or that objects brought into the experience could be
lost.
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In John’s case
he eats a scroll that is part of the encounter, and his stomach is
upset by it, as such the experience can physically go inside the
human body and have internal effects.
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Time perception
manipulation of the person having the experience.
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"Extraordinary claims
require extraordinary evidence”
---Carl Sagan
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To summarize, the reported activities of UFOs and aliens,
do indeed have exact parallels in the Bible of exactly what fallen angels are
capable of. To the Fundamentalist Christian who really knows his or her Bible
and what it says, when they examine the messages of aliens, they seem exactly
like what the Bible says deceiving spirits would say, and we are in fact warned
through an unfailing chain of prophecy to expect. Most people don’t have a
problem making the jump either, that when an entity comes and walks through your
walls with the express purpose of tormenting you, AND teaching you these
doctrines as part of the lifelong process, but they leave in Jesus’ name if
you’re a follower of His … that’s likely NOT a genuine biological entity.
Christians have a worldview that already accepts the
reality of angels and demons, and exactly this type of phenomena. Remember when
I said at the beginning that generally Christians don’t present non-believers
sufficient evidence that the demonic view of the alien phenomenon has merit?
With just the little that I’ve been able to share in the short time we’ve had
today, I’ve tried to pin down some of the top reasons that Christian researchers
arrive at that conclusion. And there’s nothing evidence-wise in the UFO and
alien phenomenon offered by the secular UFO community that suggests it could, or
should, be taken “outside the box” of Orthodox Christian theology about fallen
angels and demons. As Carl Sagan said, “Extraordinary claims require
extraordinary evidence.”
And except to the most sympathetic listeners, no convincing
evidence has yet been presented for the extraterrestrial hypothesis, only best
guesses. I think we all agree that sufficient evidence has been presented over
the last several decades to suggest that something is going on - something that
indicates non-human intelligence and capabilities. Regardless of one’s worldview
that much is indeed agreeable. To someone with the Fundamentalist Christian
worldview, the evidences you’ve been presented with today is often considered
fairly staggering, that the phenomena can best be described as fallen angels,
without a lot of wiggle room or debate.
But, to those either with or without a Biblical worldview…
say, those who don’t attend UFO conferences regularly, the evidences presented
for the extraterrestrial hypothesis has been, to date, underwhelming.
It’s not that the world isn’t waiting for it, or that
they’re not listening. Or even that Christians and non the world over aren’t
inclined to accept it. It’s just that no sufficient evidence for the once
“extraordinary claim” of extraterrestrials even existing in the first place,
much less mastering light speed, wormholes, whatever, to arrive here safely …
THEN crash … there’s just not sufficient evidence yet to warrant the claim that
the “something” that’s going on is in fact, extra-terrestrial in origin.
Especially when another possibility is present.
As simple or objectionable as it may seem to some, the
“Looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck.. Occam’s razor” line
of reasoning seems to many to be the most sound. And with all that Christians
have going for the argument that the entities claiming to be from other planets
are really just lying spirits - who can’t offer any proof or evidence that they
really are from those other planets - the Christian argues that the burden of
proof is really shifted more to the side of those who claim that aliens are NOT
fallen angels.
Evidences for a Spiritual View of the Phenomenon:
Why Christian Fundies Think Aliens Are
Really Demons
1) Aliens Bring
Religious Messages which Deny Christ
and the Bible, and are antichrist in Nature
2) Abductions Can
Be Terminated through
The Name & Authority of Jesus Christ
3) Aliens and
Angels Powers, Abilities, M.O. the same
www.ETsMessage.com
www.ChristianSymposium.com |
I mentioned by the way that I did another whole lecture
this summer concentrating on just the messages of extraterrestrials earlier – if
you’d like a free copy of that on DVD, just drop by our table and I’ll be glad
to give you one as our way of saying thank you for hanging with me this long and
hearing me out. We also have on DVD the Zechariah Sitchin lecture I mentioned,
as well as Joe Jordan’s whole testimony and lecture on stopping abductions.
Visit our site ChristianSymposium.com to get the entire
text of my wife’s lecture on the powers and abilities of angels and aliens for
free, and there you can check out the entire set of lectures from this summer in
Roswell - several published authors and 4 of them PhD’s expanding on the view
introduced to you here today. (If you think just 45 minutes of summary today has
been challenging or eye-opening, 9 lectures of an hour or more each could prove
to be very convincing.) And if you’d like to be notified when I have the
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Thank you very much.
Paper originally presented in Angelfire New
Mexico, at the Alliance Studying Paranormal Experiences conference Sunday Sept
13, 2009 (with slight revisions since conference date - more to come). THIS WILL
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